[bluefarie]: wow...

[PixieStickChick]: I bet you he's thinking about what color the white house is

[bluefarie]: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! yep, that's probably it!

[PixieStickChick]: *shakes head slowly* what a sad excuse for a president *sigh*

[bluefarie]: yep, exactly...

[Panda-monium]: Not to bother anyone but, could you please take my poll? <poll:42013> having an arguement with friend...

[bluefarie]: i already did...*smiles*

[Panda-monium]: yes, thanks bundles.

[bluefarie]: ur welcome...again...

[Panda-monium]: lmao. yes, indeedy. So how goes it all?

[bluefarie]: idk, if ne 1 else is here...

[Panda-monium]: lol, well its open, for if and when someone else comes :P

[PixieStickChick]: I'm here, just not very talkative ^_^

[Panda-monium]: lol, okie. *nods* well are ye talkative enough to venture how ye are?

[PixieStickChick]: I'm fine, how are you?

[Panda-monium]: I am just dandy thank you. A little sad because my friend wont stop saying how ugly she is. >.<

[bluefarie]: nite!

[Panda-monium]: good night Dove.

[PixieStickChick]: night dove!  I have a friend like that, he's always putting himself down

[Panda-monium]: yeah...its horrible...-_-

[Goldice]: can someone tell me as i fail to find her, is farfy girl a member here? i know she has posted

[Panda-monium]: no idea sorry

[PixieStickChick]: sorry me neither

[bluefarie]: nope, no idea...srry!

[Dil*]: farfy girl aint' a bush hater! geezes.

[Goldice]: yeah we know that as she owns our rival wiki

[nokaredes]: rival wiki...?

[Mitsune]: Bush Supporters or something like that... ^^

[Mitsune]: Not that wiki... >.<

[Mitsune]: Bush Supporters Association

[kduncan]: Holy crow, I'd never been to the Bush Supporter's wiki before.. they're one miserable bunch over there.

[bluefarie]: geeeze don't ever write that ever! it scares me!

[Dil*]: lol!

[nokaredes]: in the first wiki, he's using the WRONG HAND to put his hand over his heart...you'll understand if you look at it... http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/drawing/68055_1105221041.jpg

[Goldice]: got a question. how many of you are members of EP aswell?

[nokaredes]: I am...and CatHug.

[kduncan]: I'm not a member of EP, just Elftown.

[kduncan]: ooh.. nokaredes, that one animation you've linked to in your house is excellent. I'm gonna post the link here so that more people see it. http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html If you haven't seen Greg Palast's film, "Counting on Democracy", I really recommend you see it to get a full understanding of what happened in the 2000 presidential election. Many municipal libraries have it in their video collections, if they don't have it a local community college or universtity might have it available for on-site viewing.

[nokaredes]: okay, I'll check it out (no pun intended). Thanks for the tip ^_^

[Goldice]: ok. those of you that are, go see BHA on EP and get some decent conversation going on in there

[bluefarie]: i tried 2 go 2 tht link...it didn't work...

[kduncan]: Sorry about that ~black_dove~, the period at the end got included in the link, I took it out and the link works fine now.

[bluefarie]: k..

[nokaredes]: I didn't try to go to the link...I went to Google...

[nokaredes]: but I didn't find anything useful, so I'm gonna try to find it at my college.

[bluefarie]: ooooo...

[nokaredes]: o.O

[bluefarie]: ...

[xduhxitsxvalx]: OMG I HATE bush

[bluefarie]: really???

[Goldice]: you're in the right place then

[kduncan]: heh.. angelme8902.. too funny! In visiting your Elftown house I see you have a shirt on that reads "Panama City Beach". That's me old stomping grounds, ie: home. Hope you managed to get away from the madness a bit and see some of the real Florida.. or at least what's left of it. Though we're a bit more laid back than most of Florida, our quaint beachfront cottages are quickly falling prey to the onslaught of the twenty-five story condominiums you likely saw being built during your visit.

[bluefarie]: funny funny...

[Rest in Peace *Boy*]: if you guys think you would be a better president during a war have a fun time kidding yourself! bush is twice the president any of you would ever be in his position! IDIOTS like you are the ones who are making this war worse than it is!

[kduncan]: First of all, Kourt, I doubt it. First of all, I got better grades than he did in college. Secondly, I didn't have to rely on my family's money to get me into college, I paid my own way by actually ~gasp~ working while I was in college. Third, I majored in a more difficult curriculum. Did you know that Business Administration (what Bush majored in) is pretty much the joke of college majors? It's for people who just "want a degree" but don't necessarily want to work at it. Grow up, listen while you're in class, and when you're a little older maybe you'll actually understand what's happening in the world around you. Oh, and words at the beginning of sentences, as well as

[kduncan]: proper nouns, are supposed to be capitalised.

[kduncan]: You know, considering the fact that the Bush administration has admitted that they were a bit "off" in the intelligence department regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, ie: there were none; that Cheney has come out and said that he "miscalculated" how strong the resistance to a US invasion of Iraq would be, that torture has been perpetrated on prisoners (held without having any charges filed against them, without legal representation, and without any kind of trial) by US military personnel, that elections will not be permitted to be held in large areas of Iraq, I can't help but wonder how people who support Bush can continue to justify this unjust war.

[kduncan]: It's amazing to me that they are blind to the fact that certain companies ~cough~ Haliburton, et al ~cough~ are making billions on this war, and that we, the taxpayers, are footing the bill. Make no mistake, we will be paying for this war for decades to come. After the stockholders at Haliburton have lined their pockets with our money, we'll still be paying for the folly of George Bush.

[Goldice]: so kourt are you saying that because you're american you could do his job.like being american gives you an advantage over us.

[kduncan]: I'm not sure she's saying that, Goldice. I think she's saying that if you don't have rich parents to buy your way into a prestigious school, then snort and drink your self into a stupor during your college years, then get those parents to buy you a few companies to practice playing with after college (all of which failed, by the way), that you can't be half the president that Bush is. I'm not sure what line of logic she's using, but that seems to be what she's saying.

[nokaredes]: What kind of grades did Bush get in college?

[kduncan]: I understand that he couldn't manage better than a "C" average. In most good colleges, a "C" average puts you on the "if you can't manage to do better than this next semester, you're out of here" list.

[Goldice]: oh sorry i misread it.but it doesn't make alot of sense in the first place^_^

[kduncan]: 1999: Karl Rove, a former Enron employee, arranges for Bush to use Enron corporate jets during his presidential campaign. Bush accepts more special interest money than anyone in history. Enron was Bush’s biggest all time supporter. Enron gives $1.3 million intotal to Bush and the GOP. September 2000: Despite Bush's memory lapse about knowing Enron CEO Ken Lay, Lay personally contributes $290,000 to Bush's presidential campaign as a Bush pioneer. January 2001: Enron CEO Ken Lay is named as a member of President George W Bush's transition team. George W. Bush.. honest?

[kduncan]: BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. For those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

[kduncan]: Now, from CNN.com, an article dated 12 Jan 2005: "In October, Duelfer released a preliminary report finding that in March 2003 -- the month of the invasion -- Saddam did not have any WMD stockpiles and had not started any program to produce them. The Iraq Survey Group report said that Iraq's WMD program was essentially destroyed in 1991 and Saddam ended the country's nuclear program after the Persian Gulf War in 1991. After Duelfer delivered his Iraq Survey Group's report to the Senate, Bush acknowledged that Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction at the time he ordered the invasion but said Saddam was "systematically gaming the system" and that the world is safer because he is no

[kduncan]: no longer in power. The preliminary report indicated that Saddam hoped to restart his weapons programs primarily for defense against Iran.

[Goldice]: ok i read the last bit

[kduncan]: Did you read that part, Kourt, you know, the part about Hussein wanting weapons for defense against Iran? Go back a few wiki pages to the part where I've told other Bush supporters that YES, HUSSEIN WAS GASSING KURDS.. IRANIAN KURDS!.. WHO HAD CROSSED THE BORDER INTO IRAQ TO EFFECT DISSENT AGAINST HUSSEIN. Ok, now, look closely at the date in the CNN atricle, the date of the Duelfer report, which states that Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction: March of 2003. Compare that to the date of the Poland interview, 29 May of 2003, in which Bush claims that, "We found weapons of mass destruction."

[Goldice]: im bit confused. kduncan do you support or oppose bush?sorry im having a senior moment

[kduncan]: I'm am absolutely, positively not a Bush supporter. Just out of curiousity, why do you ask?

[bluefarie]: i think ne 1 who supports bush, is either is ignorant/ is just plain nieve.../ both..

[Goldice]: cos i got a bit confused.

[bluefarie]: huh?? now u confuzzled me...

[Goldice]: exactly

[bluefarie]: oh, thnx....

[Peace_Turtles]: i agree with you black dove...people who support that dickless son of a bitch basically are not in there right mind....

[bluefarie]: yep, exactly, i wish these ppl would just wake up!!

[BarleySinger]: Oets not forget that Hussein was gassing people with weapons obtained via funding from the USA. After the gassings (which were known to the US government) the US increased the funding.

[Goldice]: stupid aint it

[kduncan]: It's worse than stupid, it's hypocritical of us to say he (Hussein) was doing wrong when we gave him the ability (and apparently our blessing) to do exactly what we now condemn him for.

[Goldice]: i will re-read that when i have slept more. i dont fully understand the whole politics of the situation but enough to know roughly what im talking about. ^_^

[Peace_Turtles]: God...its sicking what humanity is capable of doing.......

[bluefarie]: i know...it makes me sick...:'(

[Peace_Turtles]: yeah....

[Goldice]: think though. its us who could be doing that

[bluefarie]: doin' what???

[nokaredes]: I'm listening to The State of the Union right now, and it's just driving me insane b/c my mom won't turn it off. First of all, he has no transitions, and my professors wouldn't give me a good grade if I didn't have transitions...and he is such a bigot!!

[bluefarie]: yes, i totally agree...

[Peregrinus]: He doesn't really have good... erm.. anything, really... bad grammer, bad public speaking skills, bad social skills in general (except between other ruthless tycoons)... the guys just drives me freaking nuts... and his speachwriters must suck too, because you know he doesn't write his own speeches.

[Peace_Turtles]: Bush looks like he staring right into the sun 24/7 and its funny how he gets this grin on his face every time he thinks he got a question correct....or how he tries to ignore the question and skip on to another topic.

[Peregrinus]: Hehe, yeah, it's like he's giving himself a mental pat on the back/.

[Goldice]: my mind sure doesnt stretch down my back

[Peregrinus]: Erm... right...

[Goldice]: sorry the imagery of a mental pat on the back

[Peregrinus]: Right, gotcha.

[Goldice]: sorry.my mind works in mysterious ways

[Peregrinus]: Meh, you get used to it around here.

[Goldice]: lol.

[Sven Welkenson]: Safe zone my ass.

[Peregrinus]: And why do you say that?

[kduncan]: He's "friends" with krazy kourt from a few wiki pages back. You know, the one who referred to people who don't support Bush as idiots. She probably complained that we were being "mean" to her, and he probably interprets our response to being called idiots as "intolerance" on our part.

[Peregrinus]: I see...

[kduncan]: I could be completely wrong about that of course, but somehow I don't think so.

[Peregrinus]: It would indeed make sense.

[Sven Welkenson]: Actually you are completely wrong about that. As we have been explaining to your comrades on elfpack, we do not think that your views are stupid and that those who do not support Bush are idiots. Basing your beliefs on bias writings, pics and movies are.

[nokaredes]: just because you're friends with someone doesn't mean you have all the same views or even support all the same views...

[kduncan]: Maybe you don't, and you're to be commended for that, but your friend krazy kourt doesn't feel the same. To quote her (and you can look back two or three pages in this wiki to verify this quote): "if you guys think you would be a better president during a war have a fun time kidding yourself! bush is twice the president any of you would ever be in his position! IDIOTS like you are the ones who are making this war worse than it is!" Note the part where she refers to the people in this wiki (since she doesn't name any specific person) as IDIOTS. As I've pointed out before, I never base my beliefs on any one source. My opinions are formed from my personal research of the issues. I have worked

[kduncan]: as a reasearch assistant (in college), so my skills are likely better than the average person's. And no, my research of the issues doesn't include only sites like alternet and the like. I've actually visited the Republican and Democrat (as well as the Libertarian, Socialist, Constitutional, and Communist) party websites to see what their platforms and values are. When was the last time you visited the Green party site? Or any other third parties for that matter? Have you visited the Green party site, Sven Wilkensen? You don't say in your Elftown house whether you're old enough to vote, but if you are, have you actually researched who funds the candidates that were on your local ballot?

[kduncan]: More than anything else, who a candidate gets campaign funds from speaks volumes more than anything they might say in a political commercial or debate. Like I've said before: You have to follow the money trail.

[kduncan]: You're absolutely correct, nokaredes. However, despite the fact that one may not agree with a friend's political opinions, religious beliefs, etcetera, there's still a natural tendency to want to defend a friend when that friend feels others have been mean to him or her. But one has to take into account that the friend might have been doing a little bashing on his or her part too. This speaks to the fact that basing your beliefs on any one source doesn't always give an accurate picture of events or issues, and this is why one has to look at any event or issue from all sides, not just one.

[Peace_Turtles]: Did you know 4,000 people died just looking for WOMD?(weapons of mass distruction)

[Dil*]: <poll:43429> Please take my Poll~!

[bluefarie]: ok, i'll take it...

[Goldice]: yeah so will i

[Dil*]: cool thanks.

[Panda-monium]: I already took it

[kduncan]: And that's after Bush already knew there were none vis-a-vis the Duelfer report that was delivered to Bush and the Senate in March of 2003, artificial-love. It's a pity that Rumsfeld might not be going to that European defense summit, it'd be a hoot to see his butt get busted in Germany for war crimes.

[Peace_Turtles]: Oh yeah.....I would love to see that

[Peace_Turtles]: I swear when i look at his face i just feel so.....dirty....and raw.....

[BarleySinger]: Cheney has a very long history of being a bad person, out to further himself in politics and financially, with no real concern for other people. I don't say that lightly. As I see it the problem is that all political systems tend to be set up in ways that attract people like him to political office. That is to say that political systems seem to always have huge holes in them that allow for (and invite) corruption. In the US a lot of it centers around campaign finance (corporate soft money) and also on the revolving door between government and the private sector. In other places the opportunities for graft may be different ones, but they are probably there.

[Panda-monium]: Well, I know in our government (Canada) there is alot of room for curroption in scandals and our government takes full advantage of them. Which is of course my main complaint with the Liberal Party, but since our Senate is appointed rather than elected there is room for curroption there as well. *shrugs* I dont have that many complaints with my government, but I guess those are two.

[BarleySinger]: The senate in Canada is appointed? I didn't know that. I am mostly familiar with the US system and secondarily with the system here in Australia.

[Panda-monium]: Yeah I know. Bush is a puppet, but I still dont like him. He is an idiot is what he is. I HATE Pax-Americanas (sp?) it is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, and the world is getting tired of being patient with the American Government. *nods*

[Panda-monium]: Yeah they are, by the good ol' PM. Oh btw, does anyone here know anything more about the PM in Iraq? I am still trying to figure out how they have a PM at all, because I didnt know they were common wealth...As far as my knowledge goes a PM is a result of a constitutional Monarchy, no?

[Lord Kügenheim]: When i was listening to the news earlier in the week i heard that america was thinking of going for Iran next. Woop de doo, i expect that'll be more fun than iraq.

[Panda-monium]: ack, oh great, yeah it should be lots more fun, they have more to take. o_O

[Lord Kügenheim]: and i doubt the Iranian army will crumble like Iraqs did. I hope if the USA does go in, Iran gives them a good run for their money

[Panda-monium]: Well now, I dont hope the USA wins, but I also will not promote the loss of lives. Especially those fighting for their country, and are just innocently following orders. I mean those are real men out there, with real lives and families. Not some game of risk, although its hard to remember that with the way the American Government is treating it. *fumes*

[Lord Kügenheim]: i agree [Panda-monium] but this is probably the only way the american government will realise this. the sooner they think that everyone isnt against them and that by flexing their muscles and killing people wont bring any more peace then is already here.

[Panda-monium]: They dont believe everyone is against them, thats what they want Americans and others to believe. When the Soviet Union fell, no one wanted American protection anymore, and therefore was not willing to give them control. So they had to find another threat, so that the countries would get scared and fall in line. It didnt happen though. No one believed it outside the American Media, and now the patience for America is running out.

[kduncan]: I picked up this link for a bit of humour: http://bbspot.com/News/2005/01/bush_countdown.html

[Lord Kügenheim]: ha! thats amazing!

[Peace_Turtles]: Thats so cool....GOD! I wish someone will kill him soon......

[nokaredes]: psst...the Secret Service might be here...

[Lord Kügenheim]: as in the Elftown Secret Service or the FBI?

[kduncan]: Artificial-love, the problem with some one killing Bush is that we'd be stuck with Cheney (worse!), and if Cheney was then to be killed we'd be stuck with Hastert (blech!). Bush protected himself from people who would do him harm by putting people even more corrupt than him in line behind himself.

[nokaredes]: the FBI...

[kduncan]: Our only hope is a foreign take-over, sort of what we did in Iraq.. or a people's revolution. But with Americans being all comfy like in their 3500 square foot houses with their 2.5 bathrooms, and their SUV's parked comfortably in their three car garages.. I doubt any kind of revolution is in the immediate future.

[Lord Kügenheim]: yay ^^ well it could be worse. i mean, no one here is planning on killing anyone and the BHA as a whole sure doesn't plan anything so i hope they enjoy their stay. Hey you! you over in the corner with the sunglasses. heres a cookie *passes cookie*

[nokaredes]: get your cookies at Trivia for a Cookie!

[Peace_Turtles]: Nice point..kduncan

[kduncan]: I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but government n the US is no longer "for the people", it's now "government for the corporate entity". This whole thing with Social Security.. how wonderful that we'll now be fully responsible for our own Social Security, and corporations won't have to contribute a penny. As for putting our retirement savings into the stock market.. what a way to keep Americans consuming services and goods. Jeez Louise, they're working on keeping us wrapped up in spending more and more money.

[nokaredes]: my mom said that the reason for Social Security was so people wouldn't lose everything they had in the stock market...

[kduncan]: Well, that's about to change.

[nokaredes]: exactly.

[Peace_Turtles]: Anyone here scared of the draft? I am for my brother and sister....

[kduncan]: Not for myself as I'm above the "draftable" age, plus I have dual citizenship (US/Canada), but I am for other people I know.

[Lord Kügenheim]: Being British realy does rule sometimes. This whole sodding draft idea is stupid. I mean, its not like America doesnt need any more pawns in its little Crusade against so called "Terrorists"

[Goldice]: whats all this draft stuff?

[nokaredes]: draft into the army

[nokaredes]: I'm not draft age yet, but I will be before Bush's reign is over...so...yes, I am worried.

[Goldice]: oh ok.

[Peace_Turtles]: I might move to London....I hope we get there in time. If Bush dose start the draft then I know for a fact they wont let us leave cause they know why we are leaving....

[Goldice]: its like national service all over again

[Lord Kügenheim]: It would be different if the Soviets or the Nazis were running amok or something. but the truth is, there isnt a major problem for the Americans just a few annoyances from terrorists. America doesnt need the draft, its forces are fine as they are for what there needed for. So unless theres something happening we dont know about, its still a dumbass idea.

[kduncan]: With what Bush has going on in Iraq it's not going to be long before a volunteer military won't be enough. People will stop enlisting if things continue going the way they are and it looks like Iraq may turn into another Viet Nam. Or if Bush decides to make some grand march across the middle east.. and it looks like that may be the case.. we're gonna need more people.

[Lord Kügenheim]: yes but remember America wont be alone. They'll manage to drag Britain, Australia and perhaps France and Germany in too.

[Dil*]: France ahahaahahahhaahahahaha....That's funny. The Americans hate the French and vise-versa.

[kduncan]: Americans don't hate the French, that's only Bush supporters who think the French somehow betrayed the US by not jumping headfirst into the Iraqi invasion with us.

[nokaredes]: remember 'American Fries'?

[Lord Kügenheim]: No [Dil*], We hate the French. We have done since napoleon, or perhaps even before. its like the Americans and the Soviets really.

[kduncan]: The whole "American Fries" thing was not a widespread thing though. It was more an advertising thingy used by a few establishments in an attempt to pull in more customers. Quite frankly, the whole "American Fries" fad fizzled just about as quickly as it started.

[Dil*]: Good, that whole 'freedom fries' thing was retarded anyways.

[bluefarie]: yeah, it was...

[kduncan]: I agree.

[nokaredes]: well, it was big in this part of MD for about a month...at school, if you said 'French Fries', they wouldn't give any to you. >.< the whole thing was idiotic.

[Dil*]: wtf, they actually forced people to do it...that sounds like repression to me.

[kduncan]: In the US most people don't ask for "French fries", they simpy ask for "fries". But, yeah, it does sound like a petty point on someone's part.. perhaps on both the part of the person demanding "French" fries, and on the part of the person refusing service unless the fries are referred to as "American".

[earthkynd]: FUCK BUSH!!!

[earthkynd]: let's cut off his tones and balls and throw salt over it and put sticks in his eyes and....                   let's hurt him

[bluefarie]: im w/ u...

[Peregrinus]: erm... so anyone know anything about the condition of the draft? Or what about the Patriot Act II?

[kduncan]: Don't be shy now, Maeglin Miriel, feel free to speak your mind. LOL!

[kduncan]: You can look up information about the draft by googling H.R.163 and S.89. It's my understanding that H.R. 163 failed (but doesn't mean it can't be brought up again), and that S. 89 is still under consideration. Regards Patriot Act II: It's my understanding that this piece of legislation is being signed into law, not the way it was originally written.. but piecemeal. It also appears to have undergone a bit of a name change, and is now being referred to as the Intelligence Authorization Act (H.R. 2417). If anyone can find any further information on Patriot Act II, please post the info in this wiki; I'd like to take a look.

[Acoustic Sounds]: last time I looked for HR 163 and S 89, both of them were changed into completely different subjects not concerning the draft at all... I don't know if anyone knows this or not, but you can go to http://thomas.loc.gov and type in the bill number and then it will come up with the bill

[Acoustic Sounds]: if you go to that website, then click on Search Bills and Resolutions, then choose Bill Number, type in S 89 or HR 163 and then click on the 108th congress (2003-2004) you can view the bills concerning the draft...

[Acoustic Sounds]: if that helps anyone at all

[Goldice]: what does this draft actual mean for people in America.im not entirely sure what it is.

[kduncan]: It looks like it's not the same at the draft during the Viet Nam war. This is more a "national service" draft which many European countries already have. Under this draft all people between certain ages MUST serve their country in some manner; military service is mandatory under this draft unless the person can prove that they are either a conscientious objector, or unfit for military service due to medical or mental reasons.. and either conscientious objection or medical/mental dismissal from military service will not exempt a person from the draft - only from combat duty.

[kduncan]: Anyone who thinks they'll be exempted from the draft for poor eyesight, clubfoot, or some other such thing.. guess what.. you're not exempted anymore. Oh.. and no more of those silly little college deferments either.

[Peace_Turtles]: If the draft dose happen....good-bye sister,brother,cousin, and long time best friend....

[nokaredes]: I still get excluded ^_^ but people I know, aren't :(

[Goldice]: is it just males like the national service or females aswell?

[nokaredes]: Both.

[Goldice]: because, exscuse me if being stupid, but wasnt it just males first time round

[nokaredes]: yea, it was, but it's both now.

[nokaredes]: what does the poll mean 'affected'? even if you're not drafted, you'll still be affected...

[Peregrinus]: How about proof of an acute anxiety disorder?

[Goldice]: surely if this was going to go ahead it would be all over the news?

[Peregrinus]: Heh yeah, you'd think, wouldn't you. But the fact is, they don't want it all over the news. And as much as we don't like to admit it, the media can be (and is all to often) bought.

[Goldice]: it just seems a bit wierd that only america (and people here) know about it

[Peregrinus]: Why is that odd? Hell, most Americans aren't at all aware of foreign matters, why should we expect that foriegn countries are aware of us?

[Goldice]: well we all knew about the 9/11 disaster, we all know about the bombings in other countries, we all know about the tsunami. i would say this was a big enough thing to be broadcast.

[Peregrinus]: Yeah... perhaps... but it's more internal than anything. I mean, you Brits might get some news on it, but I don't really expect other nations to.

[Goldice]: i wasnt having a go, it just seemed a bit... well suspicious if you know what i mean. because its going to affect everyone. if say an english family lived in america and there children were of draft age, would they have to participate?

[Peregrinus]: I honestly don't know the answer to that, but it does seem suspicious to me that we Americans are hardly hearing anything about it ourselves.

[Goldice]: thats the thing. it seems to be too hush-hush to be confirmed and ready to put into practice

[Peregrinus]: yep.

[Goldice]: how did america first hear about it?